OK, Richard Deitsch. I can hear you. Enough with the Skip Bayless, right?
Earlier today, I posted my Chicago Tribune column on Bayless. As you would expect, I had much more that I could squeeze into 750 words for the newspaper.
Thanks to the infinite Internet, I thought I would share more from my interview with Bayless, which took place at the hotel where he lives year-round in Bristol. It provides more of an idea of what makes him tick.
How did you enjoy your Chicago years? What struck you about being a columnist in Chicago?
Some of the best years of my career.
Why?
Because it’s the most passionate sports city in America. The interest stays high 365 days a year for every sport, including the Blackhawks, even when they’re down. And I loved living downtown. It was a great experience because it’s such a great place, and what I liked the least about Chicago was the traffic, because I think it might be the worst traffic city in America.
It got worse.
Did it?
You caught the tail end of Jordan, right?
I got ’98. I got the last year. Which to me was the best ‑‑ it was the most writable year because of the in‑fighting between Krause and Michael and Phil. Every day the story just got better and better, and remember, I got Sammy at his height. And I got Cubs with Kerry Wood rising into the playoffs. They flamed out quickly against the Braves that year, but it was still a great year. And then I got the end of (Dave) Wannstedt, who I’d known very well from Dallas, so it was still interesting to me to be that connected to him and the Bears and to watch his struggle and ultimate collapse. It was a good time to be there.
And then you made a decision to leave.
I made a decision.
And the decision was based on philosophical differences?
Extreme philosophical differences because (of the length of his column). Over breakfast one morning (editor Anne Marie Lipinski) glanced at her sections spread out before her in the Tribune and realized that the only section without an anchored column on the front was the sports. We believed it gave us the best flexibility. If I had the goods on a story and I had done the reporting on a story that I could go a little longer than 650 words. I could maybe even write 1,000 words, and it gave (sports editor John Cherwa) the flexibility with the art on the front to be very creative and to, as he often did, win awards with his section front.
She wanted all the section fronts to look alike. So I immediately went in and said, ‘this won’t work for us.’ I liked her a lot, went to lunch with her several times and personally got along with her great. She said, “you will learn to like this.” That was the quote. I said, “I will try,”
And I got more miserable by the day because I can’t write 650‑word columns. It doesn’t fit me. I wasn’t good at it. My columns suffered over it. And I suffered emotionally over it. It was so frustrating that I knew at the three‑month mark I just wasn’t going to make it, but for the sake of John and because I loved my job so much, I stuck it out for three more months. I got to the six‑month mark, and I told John, “I just can’t do this anymore,” He knew how miserable I had become.
I told (Lipinski), ‘I tried it, can’t live with it.’ She smiled and said, “Great. Where are you going?” I said, “I don’t have a plan yet.” She said, ‘OK, it was great having you here.’ And that was the end of that.
What does that say about you? You had a great job in a great city, and yet you walked away?
In the big picture, it says that I chose not to have children. Seriously. And I knew going in that my career was first. Every woman I have been with has known my career was first. My current knows that my career came first, and she was the first one who’s been good with that, which is why we’re so good together.
But my career is my life and my passion. It’s not a job, it’s just my life. So I was able to do that when the job no longer fit what I do best. Then I was able to say, I need to find another one, and I did.
No compromise?
That is correct. I didn’t want to compromise my work ethic, because John was good for me and to me in that he would encourage me to be a reporter, to not just be an opinionist, and so occasionally I would really dig into something if we had the time, because I always had the inclination, even though I’m writing four times a week, occasionally if you do the reporting as you well know and you have the goods where you can write both a take with some heavy support and maybe you could do an opinion that actually breaks some news, which every once in a while I was able to do, I needed more than 650 words.
How does that work ethic even factor into what you’re doing now?
My work ethic has now found its ultimate challenge because I have never, and I do not exaggerate this, as hard as I have always worked and been known as a hard worker, never have I worked harder than I do now. This is a relentless insatiable beast. I’ve been only taking two weeks a year off. I think I might take three this year.
But I love it and I live for it, and I still leap out of bed at 5:30 every morning, but this is a rough one because if you’re doing live, unscripted debate for two full hours five days a week, 50 weeks a year, the preparation for it can be overwhelming, because within the confines of any given debate, it might go places that you’re not expecting or predicting or preparing for, so you have to prepare for every possibility. If he goes here, I could go there. Or what if he brings this up? And you just have to constantly look up, look up, look up, and I feel like I’m back in college cramming for exams. I cram for an exam every night.
You talk about authentic. You know the one thing that people don’t necessarily believe is that you’re authentic
They’re all wrong. They’re all wrong.
They all think that you do this…
Well then they don’t know. I don’t know, I can’t explain. I’m just telling you the truth. Whoever says that has no idea what he or she is talking about.
How frustrating is that?
They don’t know me. It doesn’t frustrate me at all. I don’t care. I get asked about it, so it irritates me.
People don’t believe me when I talk about working with you. I know you don’t do anything for show.
It’s 1,000 percent authentic. It’s as legit as legit can get. It’s the realest sports TV on TV because it is completely unscripted. And remember, I’m working with one of the loosest cannons in the history of cannons, and I have no idea where he’s going to go because sometimes he has no idea where he’s going to go. That’s as real as it gets.
I believe what I believe down to my toes. Anyone who’s ever worked with me will tell you that’s me. For better or for worse. I’m not saying it’s a great thing because I’m stubbornly proud. But I am proud as proud can be, and I believe everything that I’m going to say on TV with all my heart and soul. And I have the courage of my convictions.
If you follow our show, I defy you to show me something that I said that you thought was completely outlandish and that I said only for the sake of saying it that did not prove true. I am often ahead of curves. And I’m not willing to back off. I don’t usually get credit for it when it proves true over time, but I’m not stupid, and I’m not doing it for ratings because our audience is sophisticated and smart, and they will see right through that. They keep coming back because they know I believe what I believe, and yet even though they might occasionally think, that’s crazy, they listen to me explain it and deliver the whys of it, and I think people start to think it makes sense.
But there are people out there who trash you. It doesn’t bother you?
It doesn’t bother me a bit. Don’t lose any sleep.
Really?
Nope, doesn’t bother me a bit because I’m so comfortable in my skin because in my heart I know I put in the hours and I am a sports nut. That’s what people can’t understand. But I live for this stuff, and I watch games a little differently, maybe, than other people do, because I’m constantly asking myself why did that happen, what’s really going on here.
And I think I bring things every morning to that debate table that people haven’t thought about that prove true. And I drive my partner crazy with my stubbornness, my stubborn pride, but he respects me just as I respect him. He has a great mind for sports. I think I have a good mind for sports, for people. Maybe my mind is even better for just people, what makes people tick, what are they all about.
What are you and Steven A. like after a show? Are there times you walk out of there where you guys aren’t talking, or does it ever get that heated?
I love him like a brother, but I do not always like him. But Ed, again, bottom of heart, I have never taken anything home, any anger home, any sort of brotherly hate or whatever you would call that when you just start to hate each other because you’re brothers over some topic. From topic to topic, we both get mad. I’ve gotten mad a number of times. But we’re so close and we have so much respect that, believe me, we always shake it off in the break. And you’ll see us come right back the next topic, and it’s just business as usual.
Is he keeping score, too?
Absolutely. I’ve read quotes from him in the last piece that somebody wrote. Was it the Washington Post one, I think he said I want to win every debate. The truth is I do win every debate.
You never lose a debate?
I have never lost a debate.
Come on.
In my mind.
This is where you live during the week?
Yeah. When we were doing the show in New York, and somebody up here had the bright idea, and I mean that literally, it was a bright idea, why are we doing this? There was a regime change from the Mark Shapiro years, and so they wanted to keep our show intact but they wanted to save millions of dollars in studio costs in New York. Why shouldn’t we just bring it up to Bristol? I can’t blame them.
So they said, hey, why don’t you just stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you figure out your living situation, and I did, and here I am ‑‑ it’s been like six years.
And you go down to New York over the weekend?
I do, and sometimes she comes up here occasionally just to kind of break it up a little bit for me.
What do you do about watching all the games during the weekend?
I watch college football from noon to 1:00 a.m. every day. We’ll go get something to eat for a few minutes, but I watch it, and it’s partly because I love it but partly because I have to watch it. On Sundays, obviously I watch the NFL games.
This job is relentless like that. And I’ll watch the NBA on Friday night. Fortunately she likes the NBA. It’s the one sport she really has come to love, and I like the Spurs, and she’s come to love the Spurs, so she really enjoyed ‑‑ if the Spurs play on a Friday, we will definitely watch that. But if the Heat play on Friday night, I’m going to watch every bit of it, and she’ll roll with that.
So that’s life with Skip Bayless?
It’s insatiable. It does not stop.